whick 4 stoke to get

honda sh

good bikes, good engine and quite nippy too.

cygnus are also good but smaller in size.

honda dylon are also good, same engine as the sh and @

runners are ok but probs not as good as the others mentioned, and it will probs get thiefed for the pannels and lights

 

you REALLY do think they go forever ay..... a 4t is an engine just like any other, the bearing shells/end of crank DO wear, even if there regularly serviced, as do rings, they do last well if mantained, but they dont last forever and are INCREDIBLY expensive to fix once there fucked. this is usually above 60,000 miles tho. even car engines need new shels at around 100k , new rings.. valve guides (list go's on) and thats devided by 4 cylinders so a quarter of the work...

old runners ARE NOT collecctors items nor will they ever be. for somthing to be a collectors item it takes people to spend more than somthings worth, making it a collectable.. i cant honestly see anyone paying more than they were new for a runner... EVER.. there a theft collectors item.

if your going old shape 4t runner just make sure its fairly low mialage, there all getting a bit old/tured now and its rare to find a nice 4t runner these days let alone a stocker 2 stroke. it will be stolen for the forks and pannels.. thats runner owners for you (thieving cunts/know thieving cunts) so avoid them... better off with somthing like a skipper (same engine, nobody would nick one) or a new shape.. wouldent sudgest anything other than piaggio built (gilera is owned by piaggio, a runner IS a piaggio.. blah blah)

on a side note, guessing somthing is gonna be a collectors item is silly.. especially because its sort after (cossie's were the runners of the 80's) there NOT collectable nor regarded as a "collectors item" you will NOT see somone EVER pay over 20 grand for a stock cossie... NEVER.. they were close to 30k new.. same as the runner.. you NEED some of them to survive to become collectable, then the avarage sale p[rice needs to be ABOVE its original sale price for it to be considderd a "collectors item" basicly runners will be stolen and burnt out of existance... if anyone cdoes manage to keep one past the rest, there will be SOME thieving little cunt who remembers them and gets it however he can.. thats how runner owners opperate. they see somthing somone else has and want it, with no dosh, so they take it... infact thats 99% of the scoot scene right there and the reason im over it.. nothing but skint messers and thiev's these day's... anyone who does actually build a nice one, with cash they earnt, fron new bits will NEVER ride the thing as you normally would..


i could go on all day.. but nah, dont get an old shape runner... might aswell leave a grand in an envelope outside your house.

 

don't think a bandit comes into the same category here monty, talking about 125 ''s

 

seen a few 2 strokes wiht 50k on an engine...


i wouldent sudgest anything else as anything else is a motorcycle manufactor nocking out cheap scooters... the honda lead was the best selling bike of 2006/7 (regardless what tag recon'd) and is supposedly the best commuter transport about. the REASON i wont advise anything is i dont use my scooter like a 40 year old man, i CHOOSE to ride a GOOD scooter, not because i cant afford a car/to run a big bike, but because i choose to, so the fact the thing is stolen just because its a piaggio/gilera dont come into my line of thought, im not one to leave my bike sitting about cheers.

why would i advise somthing i wouldent buy myself? i wouldent advise a runner 4t tb h, heavy/horid in corners.. much better off wiht a skipper 4t

or if you want boring, reliable, non flashy 4t transport go and buy yourself reliant robin... can drive on a provisional and l plates (if the reverse gear is disengaged) as a 3 wheel motorcycle and it has a roof/heater/4 seats... or just stop fucking about, get a nice scooter and buy a car

 

this is where your understanding of engines comes into play...

4 stroke engines are ARCHAIC OLD technoilogey... literally, old ass simple technologey the 2 stroke origianlly replaced, untill material improvment's/costs and the sheer mantenance of such a simple engine brought 4t's into the lime light. a truely revoloutionary thing would to fit a ONE stroke engine to a scooter... the ONLY enigne on the planet to achieve a 101% efficencey (yes, it is possible, you just dont understand how the percentage works) but ye.

4t's are used as they cost more to make, giving the company the excuse to charge more for them.. it has fuck all to do with reliability. 4t's are just as unreliable once you start fucking wiht them. a 2t scoot LEFT ALONE will suite its perpous just fine. if you were to leave a brand new gilera runner 2t alone completly bar mantenance it would still be alive and kicking today, at an END running cost of alot less...

but once again monty's got us all arguing over the whole 4t 2t debate.. as once again he has somhow misconstrud what were talking about as a plight on the good name of 4t's by 2t's... maybe its freudian (meaning you really do love 2t's and hate the fact you cant mantain one yourself like all 2t owners do) and this has left you with a disliking for every 2 stroke bike out there... ask yourself this. how many 4t runners would there be if you didnt have thievs about AND they still made 2t's.... not many. now ask yourself this.. have you ever seen a 4t scooter win at anything in professional competition wiht 2t's? answers no m8.


so anyway.. without further moaning from any side. this thread is about a 4t scooter, wich one to get, for commuting, in wich case buy a skipper wc 125.... wont get nicked, lighter than a runner so bette ron fuel, more comfy to some people, cheaper to buy and they have the same engine.

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