Stumped!!

Discussion in 'General Scooter Discussion' started by Dean_runner172, Dec 18, 2013.

  1. Dean_runner172

    Dean_runner172 New Member

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    Bike starts then cuts out straight away. So I thought fuel, sorted fuel lines,float bowl, cleaned carb and reeds still the same problem persists. So I pressure tested the bike got roughly 155psi. There's a spark and when I took the plug out if wasn't to filthy just right. The Problem started a week a go as I wanted to take her out for a little ride however got 10-15 minutes down the road as I gave it some juice it just backfired and died. Since this it doesn't want to start for more than 5seconds. Left me in a position where to me it's a stab in the dark. Any help appreciated :)
     
  2. Burridge

    Burridge Ambulance selfie King

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    Could be an airleak on your intake manifold, get some new gaskets or some gasket goo, worth a try
     
  3. steveaerox50

    steveaerox50 aprilia owner

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    ignition problem ?
     
  4. creamsodauk

    creamsodauk Ped Ped!!

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    try another set of reeds if you have them? my runner did the same, i started it an it idled lovely

    gave it a rev and it popped and spluttered and then ran like crap and wouldnt rev

    turned out to be the reeds
     
  5. steveaerox50

    steveaerox50 aprilia owner

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    his starts for 5 seconds and cuts out could a loose fly wheel cause the problem i had a similar issue on a aprilia rs 50 where the fly wheel nut had come lose and had caused the to back fire tightened it up ran like a dream after that
     
  6. creamsodauk

    creamsodauk Ped Ped!!

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    i have heard of people having the woodruff key snap and cause all manor of issues!
     
  7. steveaerox50

    steveaerox50 aprilia owner

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    yeah me too mine was all down to a loose nut on the flywheel side , lets hope the wood ruff key hasn't snapped and chewed the threads on the crank
     
  8. turbovetto

    turbovetto Well-Known Member

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    you pressure tested the engine to WHAT? thats 10 bar! Is this a 4 stroke? I wouldn't go over two for fear of blowing the crank seals off....
    off hand I'd look at the ignition like steeve says (damn he's good!). A faulty ignition runs into trouble when the temperatures &pressures get high - and the spark gets 'quashed'.
    just an idea.
     
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  9. creamsodauk

    creamsodauk Ped Ped!!

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    155psi seems high but pretty correct for a compression test?
     
  10. turbovetto

    turbovetto Well-Known Member

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    ah - Compression test. OK. Makes more sense. Thought we were talking crank case & finding leaks.
     
  11. qwerann

    qwerann Kieran Davies

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    my stalker does this if i dont let it warm up long enough ?
     
  12. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Stab in the dark?,
    somethings may look o.k. when static-
    but when operating?,
    even the tiniest fault can of course be
    magnified when in use or under any form
    of pressure/use.
     
  13. turbovetto

    turbovetto Well-Known Member

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    Right. In my limited experience - electrics are the culpret. But in the case of qwerann - If it works fine when warm - it's probably a bit poor somewhere - probably with the mixtrure screw - or there's a choke issue.
     
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  14. qwerann

    qwerann Kieran Davies

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    yeah i think its mixture as still not got it set up right... i have a 54 plate which run delly 17.5 carbs with small air box..... but, also have the older model webber carb with big air box in the shed... dunno whats better? alot of the lads i know who use them as stunt bikes run the webbers
     
  15. Gemma

    Gemma Captain Spooky

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    It might sound proper daft, but you don't have the tick-over down too low?

    It can give the symptoms you describe of starting for a few seconds and then dying. Obviously this can be tied in too with your mixture screw setting as one will effect the other.
     
  16. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Could be choke?,
    Let's is start o.k. then puts it to sleep. :) .
     
  17. Merlin

    Merlin Old School Biker

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    It could be:-

    Water in the carb float bowl, carb float height incorrect, carb auto-choke stuck, air leak at the exhaust connection to the engine, as well as damp in the electrics.
     
  18. Dean_runner172

    Dean_runner172 New Member

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    Sorry for the late reply lads, been busy, I've tried taking the carb off n cleaned again.. Took the stator off n cleaned connections... I took the vacuum bit off the boost bottle and covered it up the suction was good and it started for a few seconds more so I think it's a air leak or a problem around this area... Is it possible to of blown fuel back up the pump and blocked it
     
  19. Merlin

    Merlin Old School Biker

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    Doubtful. If you've had the carb apart, my money is on the float height being wrong, stopping the float bowl from refilling once it's emptied. You'll get a couple of seconds running before it empties.

    Check how you've fitted the float needle on the float and try blowing into the carb with the float bowl removed, to check that the float needle opens and closes the fuel flow as you adjust the float height. The jet that the needle goes into might also be partially blocked, so check that too.
     
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  20. Dean_runner172

    Dean_runner172 New Member

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    I cleaned it out again put it back together and it run sweet, rid it for a bit then fuel got low it bogged n died then just about got me home, think there's crap in the petty tank gunna give that a go and go over it all again
     

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