Peugeot cdi bypass

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  1. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    Hi all

    haven't been on in a while as been manic but have started building the vivacity again.after god knows how many months lol

    i have since put a new loom in the vivacity as the original one was cut and chopped a few times, the only difference between the looms is the new one has a different peugeot immobilised cdi and a smaller voltage regulater.

    i have done a cdi sway to a motoforce racing cdi following this

    http://elystar.ardane.com/nonchipkey-en.htm

    but i have no spark, i have double checked the wiring to the cdi and it is exactly how it should be, its a new spark plug aswel

    what is the next port of call to look at? As im stumped and getting frustrated lol
     
    rems, Jun 23, 2014
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  2. Merlin

    Merlin Old School Biker

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    Which immobiliser did the Viva have originally, the AEC 400 or the ACI 100? The two units work a little differently.

    Have you checked this page? http://stenberg.dk/ACE400.htm
     
    Merlin, Jun 23, 2014
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  3. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Have a bog standard loom in my Vivacity,ACI 100-
    bypass...plugged straight & no problems with the electrics,sparking.whatsoever.mk.
     
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  4. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    It originally had ACI100 cdi but since got a donor vivacity with better loom with the AEC400 cdi

    With the AEC400 cdi do I just run stator wire to the ignition instead of the left over wire I have from the cdi?
     
    rems, Jun 24, 2014
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  5. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Donor Vivacity AEC400.?,these are all the wiring looms i've got listed at home,
    #1 Speedfight 1,with basic CDI ignition system
    #2.Speedfight with AEC 400 ignition system
    #3.Speedfight with ACI 100 ignition system
    #4.Trekker with basic CDI ignition system
    #5.Trekker with AEC 400 ignition system
    #6.Trekker with ACI ignition system
    #7.Vivacity with basic CDI ignition system.
    #8.Vivacity with ACI 100 ignition system
    #9.Vivacity Sportline (electric speedo).
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 24, 2014
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  6. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    Yea I'm pretty sure it's an AEC400 as looks the spitting image of the one in the post that was linked

    I have replaced my stator to a 4 wire one which has the seperate red/black wire

    I will try fit original one tonight and rewire the cdi as is suggested in the link and see if I get a spark :)
     
    rems, Jun 24, 2014
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  7. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    I'll post up a pick of my direct replacement/plug-in tommorow (05,100 2t).mk.
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 24, 2014
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  8. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    Ok dude will get a picture of the cdi I took off

    Did you use standard stator?
     
    rems, Jun 24, 2014
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  9. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    No idea,tbh,bought it off a banker who worked in the city,who used it for commuting.,have'nt needed to do nowt with it/self,cept ride,clean.
    CDI I've got now is a a straight replacement(1st owner).no mods needed,dealer serviced (2nd owner),me 3rd owner(fix it/self ;) ).
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 24, 2014
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  10. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    Here's some pictures of cdi that was on the diner vivacity

    Rechecked all wiring and it is how it should be following the write up

    There are 3 wires I have left from the original CDI which are: red, blue (which I assume are immobiliser light) and a black wire which becomes a positive feed when ignition is switched on, is this meant to be wired to anything if I'm bypassing to a basic CDI?
     

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  11. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Now i'm getting confused.o_O.,
    #2.ACI 100,as AEC is 8 wire/ACI,6.,
    3 wires?,red.ignition....blue.immobiliser warning light....bkack.indicator warning lights.,
    Fraid,can't be more help,mate..can't take pic of my own cdi,as had a bit of an off monday,right shoulder seized/left hand 20% movement...can't even hold a b.screwdriver right now.:eek:,
    Best of luck.mk.
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 24, 2014
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  12. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    Ah so is an ACI100, must be old style or even a bypass unit as there is nowhere for the immobiliser ring to plug into the CDI :confused:

    Even so after wiring up a bAsic CDI I should get a spark as it's all been bypassed :confused:
     
    rems, Jun 25, 2014
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  13. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    As I have converted from ACI100 to basic do I have to make my ignition look like this from the back?

    As the write up I followed only converts ignition to 4 wires (red, black, green and black and grey) and not additional red/black wire
     

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  14. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    On mine,it's just unplug old,plug in new (nothing else,needed to be done)-(immobilse ancilleries,now irrellevent),
    never even seen back of my ignition switch.....though the bypass converted it,to an on/off switch only.,on being signified.by fuel gauge coming on-line.mk.
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 25, 2014
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  15. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Basic Vivacity ( ignition.main.switch)
    #1.from left
    (BLACK):-ties into....brake light switches,turn signal relay,turn signal warning light,fuel gauge,oil level sensor,horn switch.
    #2.(GREEN):-( - ),battery.
    #3.(BLACK/WHITE),CDI.
    #4.(RED),reg/rectifier,fuse to ( + ) battery.
    #5.(RED/BLACK),direct to alternator.

    Starter relay ( 4 pin ) = top left (2,blue,1 direct to starter switch,1 to oil level warning light)/ top right (1red, + to battery) / bottom left (1,red,direct to starter motor) / bottom right ( 1,green ( - ) to battery.mk.
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 25, 2014
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  16. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    I haven't wired my stator to my ignition as write up only mentioned a black/grey wire :confused:

    Do you reckon that could be my problem?

    I have run the red/black stator wire straight to the cdi, is that right?
     
    rems, Jun 25, 2014
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  17. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    This is what I followed and I have triple checked it and I'm getting no spark
     

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  18. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Vivacity with basic CDI ignition,sorry 'bout pics..lighting is crap here..... 2014-06-25 16.30.55.jpg 2014-06-25 16.30.44.jpg
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 25, 2014
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  19. rems

    rems 2000 pac man zip

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    They really are blury lol

    Can't work out what wire goes where lol
     
    rems, Jun 25, 2014
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  20. Mark Emerson Trentham

    Mark Emerson Trentham Well Known Member. Staff Member

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    Try again,tomm........
     
    Mark Emerson Trentham, Jun 25, 2014
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