few questions

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  1. kylespeedfight

    kylespeedfight Active Member

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    got a few questions to ask.
    1. Whats special about the shape of 2 stroke exhausts? theres nothing inside them?

    2. If all 2stroke exhausts are hollow, how do they differ in performance?

    3. How do the crank bearings get lubed if you run premix? i thought nothing can get past the piston rings?

    4. How is porting and flowing measured?

    If anyone can answer these questions id be most greatful as the curiosity is doing my head in haha :)
     
  2. Burridge

    Burridge Ambulance selfie King

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    1 & 2, the expansion chamber of a 2 stroke exhaust and its shape determines the nature of the powerband, with the powerband itself coming into play at certain RPM and supercharging the engine with a sonic pulse pushing mixture into the engine through the header pipe, as this gif shows

    http://southernskies.net/page_pics/miss/two-stroke_c.gif

    Because powerbands only come in at a certain RPM and for a short amount of time, to make it longer and more powerful, the pipe needs many coned sections, all with different angles.

    It's pretty damn hard to make an expansion chamber the best it can be because of how difficult the physics are of making the pipe itself. I have a German 3 piece expansion pipe on my MZ and the powerband only lasts a couple of seconds through 2nd and 3rd. Although the pipe was only 30 quid new ;)

    3: Premix or not premix, the same mixture still gets into the engine, as you can see in the gif, the mixture gets sucked down into the crankcase then pushed through the transfer ports as the piston comes down, compressing it out of the crankcase and into the combustion chamber, while the mixture is in the crankcase, it's lubricating the bearings, hence why oil is added to the petrol in the first place, along with lubricating other parts.

    Wow I feel smart, why am I even doing Health and Social Care at college...
     
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  3. MARSH

    MARSH Whooooo!

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    Exactly what I was going to say but couldn't be arsed to type that much, you need to get a book on 2t tuning and read up or look on the WWW.
     
  4. kylespeedfight

    kylespeedfight Active Member

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    Thanks for the info mate:) i had a general idea and my ped runs premix so i know it works haha just wanted to find out why exactly it works, iand just didnt understand how the amount of cones in an exhaust pipe mattered. Do gases like swirl around inside the expansion chamber?
     
  5. technodimwit

    technodimwit Active Member

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    thats why its the most simple, but hardest engine type to get perfect:)

    very well written:)
     
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  6. Burridge

    Burridge Ambulance selfie King

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    I'm not sure exactly, but they're shockwaves, so they're more like pulses than swirls :)
     
  7. kylespeedfight

    kylespeedfight Active Member

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    ahh
    ahh right, also got another question. I know it sounds silly, but ive got a 70cc runner and my exhaust snapped other day, ive got a 125cc runner exhaust lying around, will this work on my 70cc? im guessing any exhaust is better than no exhaust
     
  8. chriscam13

    chriscam13 Member

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    It can't run without an exhaust, however a 125 exhaust will NOT work. The shape is all wrong and I don't even know if it fits

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  9. kylespeedfight

    kylespeedfight Active Member

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    well it does still ride without an exhaust, goes about 45mph but loud as fook haha
     
  10. chriscam13

    chriscam13 Member

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    I said it can't as in it won't last very long, surprised it hasn't seized already

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  11. southweezy19

    southweezy19 hardcore ss member

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    yamaha neos!!
    lol
     
  12. kylespeedfight

    kylespeedfight Active Member

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    only road it for about 7 mins like that
     
  13. chriscam13

    chriscam13 Member

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    You should be OK then

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